• Treatment of crypto directly in the reef.

  • Travis572

Background. 3-4 weeks ago, I had an outbreak of crypto in the reef. I observed it for about 7-8 days, then caught sick Helman and white-breasted surgeonfish and treated them in a quarantine tank. The fish did not survive. The "sick" aquarium was treated with UV for almost the entire time. However, since the fish remained in the reef, the crypto cysts did not go away; only the freeloaders died. Now the story. On March 18, I bought several fish from a store. They were in quarantine for 3 days, and no external signs of disease appeared, so they were released into the reef. On the second day after the transfer, the zebra and Helman started showing signs of crypto. It was decided not to delay treatment and to conduct it directly in the reef. The medication used was Seachem ParaGuard. Dosage: Day 1: 1/4 of the recommended dose Day 2: 1/3 of the recommended dose Day 3: 1/2 of the recommended dose The medication was added in the evening after the aquarium lights were turned off, and the UV was turned off for the night. On the third day of the outbreak, there were no signs on the fish's bodies, only residual spots on the body and 1-2 dots on the fins and tails. On the fourth day, the fish were completely clean. Now about the corals. All corals react to the addition of the medication almost instantly: LPS retract fully, and SPS become "bare." This reaction lasts about an hour, then within 1-2 hours, the corals return to their original state as if nothing had happened. Shrimp, trochus snails, hermit crabs, strombus snails, and other crawling creatures do not react at all. That's the experience. Maybe it will be useful to someone.

Michelle1662

It's good when things end well. I wouldn't want to be a pessimist, but we need to wait 6-7 days. And if we could also monitor the nitrogen cycle during that time, it would be even better.

Nicholas

It will definitely come in handy... However, it's better to turn off the UV during this period, as the intensity of the treatment decreases. Corals respond satisfactorily to this treatment, but it's better to perform a 20% water change after the treatment course is completed. Cryptocoryne can stay in the aquarium for a very long time, so the possibility of relapse remains; however, the fish develop immunity, so if outbreaks do occur from time to time, they will be minor... How does Helmon feed?

David4089

it can even be said that it is NECESSARY to produce

Luis3725

I turn off the UV at night. The components of the preparation break down anyway in 10-12 hours. The water for replacement is prepared. Helman only eats what he finds in the rocks. He has mowed down the young fan worms. He is not taking brine shrimp or bloodworms for now. The other newcomers have completely switched to brine shrimp.

Scott9892

How long did the white-breasted one live? Was the flash for a known reason, or was it sudden? Has Helmon started to feed on you already, or is it still just with J.K. (living stones)?

Emily3144

My white-breasted fish lived for more than a month, with the illness lasting about 10 days. It died in the quarantine tank. Helman, who was sick with it, did not die from crypto - he was almost healthy and eating well. During the last medication addition (it was JBL), I miscalculated the dose and poured in double the amount. I just killed the fish.

Samuel6138

What if we offer him a maggot, a caddisfly larva, or a bloodworm (even though it's a bit weird, still, just a little bit)?

Bonnie

The frozen moth is not wanted for now. I bought a live tubifex 3 days ago, and I'm keeping it for now. I don't want to give coridora - it doesn't sink and will go through the overflow into the sump, while helman almost never rises to the surface of the water. And in the sump, I have a dozen of pterophyllum fry living.

Susan9583

Have you tried using this trick?

Tracey

Why and for what purpose?

Brenda

For fattening, like... who has used it?

Nicole2404

I'm currently using it - I took Helmon - trying to fatten it up - with the first feeding I took a couple of Artemia (I fed a couple of hours after bringing it home)...

Justin

Does anyone know what the active ingredient in this medication is? The phrase ParaGuard™ uses a patented, synergistic blend of aldehydes, malachite green, and polymers that effectively eliminate ectoparasites, of course, it's very beautiful.. ))

Christopher4108

As far as I have been able to study Seachem's chemistry, everything they have is quite extraordinary (only God knows what they are conjuring there)))) but the most important thing is that it all works)))

Laura3615

Thank you for the information! It might come in handy (God forbid, of course). But I must say, you are a risky person! After all, nowhere does it say that Paragard is reef-safe...

Gene1948

Nowhere is it stated. However, positive results were described at the Reef Center. There were no negative results. Therefore, the risk was not entirely hopeless. What was appealing was that the preparation does not contain formaldehyde - which means it won't kill the bacteria. And there is no copper. The annotation included a recommendation for use in quarantine aquariums. A quarantine aquarium is not an empty sterile one; it can contain live rocks and other living organisms.

Ryan

So, how's the fish?

James

It will take another two or three days to breathe easily.

Joseph9203

To breathe out completely calmly, you need to wait a couple more weeks! But if the corals got worse after the medication, it will be noticeable already now.

Larry

The fish is in perfect condition. There are not even any single spots on its body. On Sunday, he came to visit me, and I was bragging about the treatment results. Yesterday, Helmon even started taking frozen Artemia, while a week before he refused. The corals are also in perfect condition.

Alexandra

Yes, I confirm! I didn't see any crypto at all, all the fish are clean and well-fed. He assured me that just a few days ago everything was in crypto. So this medicine really works. I also liked the design and lighting of the aquarium.

Jade

It has been 8 or 9 days since the end of the treatment. There are no relapses. The corals are fine. There were no imbalances in the nitrogen cycle.

Christopher4125

How to properly use UV in Samp through an additional pump? Should I just buy it and throw it in with the UV in Samp?

Tonya

I, for example, did not understand the meaning of the question. Either clarify your thought, or we will wait until someone figures it out.

Brandi

Where does it go, who installs it? Is it mounted in the pump at the outlet, or is a separate pump and hoses purchased and all of this is installed in the sump?

Jason9952

This is how it's done in my setup. The UV filter is suspended in the tank, with only the lower part submerged, about 3-4 cm. The green hose on the right is the water supply, provided by a separate Huidor pump, adjusted to approximately 500 l/h. The hose is connected to the lower fitting of the UV filter. The green hose on the left is the outlet (upper fitting) from the UV filter. Water is drawn from the algae tank and returned there as well. The supply pump is in the far right corner, and the outlet goes to the near left.

Robert1845

To make it clearer, it's better to do it as shown in the photo, and the water that flew past the foam generator will be returned back to the compartment with the foam generator for further processing.

Allison

Clear!!! Thanks.

Eric8832

I bought a zebra in the crypto. Actually, it wasn't me, but my parents. I started treating it with this medicine, and the zebra got better. It went to the surgeon, who repeated the treatment... the result was zero. The surgeon has been covered in spots for two weeks, and the gills are sticking together. Is it possible to treat it somehow in a quarantine tank with baths? Or is it already too late?

Joseph8592

The surgeon is likely in trouble. You can try 10-minute Paraguard baths at maximum concentration (as indicated on the tube), but it’s probably too late.

Rachel9060

What should be the volume of the settling tank for the bath?

Joshua448

You are mixing concepts. A nursery is a container in which fish should live for a long time, for example, several weeks. A bath is just a bath - a container for bathing, for 1-5-10 minutes. Up to 1-2-3 liters of water, but shaped in such a way that the fish is completely submerged and there is enough water volume to prevent the fish from suffocating for 10 minutes.

Brian

The surgeon died shortly, literally in 5 minutes, there were convulsions, he stopped breathing, and that was it.

Elijah7048

it's a pity............beautiful fish

Natasha7622

Sorry for the off-topic, but I still don't understand which zebra and which surgeon were being talked about? First of all, both of them are related to surgeons. So who is who...

Phillip9722

white-breasted and yellow zebrasoma.

Yolanda

Yes, the white-breasted has already spoiled many people's mood with its beauty and subsequent departure to the great heavenly reef... It needs to be worked with individually long before being released into the general...

Ashley5975

+100

Catherine

You should start with a quarter of the dose and observe the reaction of the animals. The fact that another fish was affected is not the fault of the medication.

Kevin

Sorry, I misspoke, according to the instructions recommended in the first post: Day 1: 1/4 of the recommended dose Day 2: 1/3 of the recommended dose Day 3: 1/2 of the recommended dose P.S. - why didn't I stop right away, I somehow thought that this way it brings the crypto out from under the skin, the white spots started to look like superficial white pimples. How could it then suddenly break out on the fish? )

William

The fish probably had a weakened immune system. Cysts came to the surface, causing holes in the fish's skin, and an infection set in. I recommend using a certain preparation in conjunction with Paraguard. It boosts the fish's immune system and quickly restores the mucous membrane. During the last restart of my 300-liter tank, my fish also had issues. I managed without Paraguard. Two doses of Easy Life, and the fish were clean. However, my fish were healthy and well-fed before that, with a good immune system. The issues were probably due to stress.

Gene1948

I want to swap a spinner for a white-breasted and a Helmon... But man, it feels risky. These are two fish that I am completely in love with... I've basically prepared already: I have a UV light at 18 watts, a flavor enhancer from Siachem (to fatten them up), and a Poindexter (a thing from Crypt) - it's not recommended for the reef, but if it's a quarter of the dose, it should be fine, and you can add it to the food to soak in... I'm thinking about what else to do to avoid losing any more fish.

David

For some reason, I feel that crypto medications are more for external use and should not be mixed into their feed.

Mitchell7972

Maybe... I soak the food in aquarium water and dispense it to the fish or corals with a syringe... The test, in a way, ends up in the water anyway... And Pointex is generally not recommended to be added to the reef, so I used it very cautiously and purely at my own risk... So I can't really recommend this method to anyone, but I had no other options at that time... And to be fair, it's worth noting that I took such a risk for the sake of those who have passed on to the rainbow... So I don't really believe in the products anymore...

Sandra7004

WIN, there is no description of your system, but all these medications for crypto would significantly affect biological filtration. That's where it "failed" for you. From this, in my opinion, all the problems with other fish arise.

Michele

I completely agree with you. I can confidently say that Seachem ParaGuard almost crashed the system, not completely, but noticeably. Yes, the corals survived, but they are still not like they were before, "thriving," etc., and the fish did not make it. After the fish (which were immediately removed from the aquarium when it was clear they were done) were gone, the ammonia spiked. P.S. - All the living creatures that were there are gone, except for the shrimp.