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Black Sea shrimp Palemon elegans
Emma
It is possible...
Thomas1044
Stone shrimp or slender Palaemon (Palaemon elegans). I have been keeping these shrimp in the Reef for the second year, and there are no problems; they are very hardy and undemanding, as long as there are no predatory fish towards them. They can also be kept separately, but the water quality must be good. Good luck. Best regards.
Brandi
It seems I live by the Black Sea, but I've never seen such beauty...
And where did you catch it, if it's not a secret?
Jade
Have you seen her any other way than boiled? Sea, on any dock post, in five minutes, with a T-shirt, half a liter aquarium!
Eric5208
Sevastopol region.
This is the first time I have seen such things, although for the port residents it may not be a novelty.
Reginald5073
I should go to the sea.))) The shrimp is beautiful, but what role can it play in the aquarium, or is it just for beauty?
Richard2180
They pluck the sprouts of algae and tear off the lower parts, searching and quite nimbly eating the remnants of food, bringing the aquarium to life as they are constantly in view, not afraid of the aquarium owner during maintenance, and they sit on the hand in the reef and nibble on the hairs. And although they are not that beautiful, I like them. These are my observations and my opinion.
Vanessa6144
Dim, do you have a mask? We can catch some this weekend if you want?
They are really beautiful!!!
Breanna9982
Better from the pier. The water in the sea is refreshing right now.
Kevin262
Catch half the trouble, but where to put it? I don't have a marine aquarium.
Jennifer7578
well, sorry!
Jeffrey496
I caught them in a small cone near the stones on beaches 10, 11, and 13. Half a liter of aquarium in 30 minutes - delicious.
Randall7906
Why Black Sea? In Berdyansk, they catch them by the bucket on the spit. I have about 20 of them in my aquarium.
Phillip9722
As a diver, I can catch anything. So if you need anything, just let me know.
Barbara
You are confusing it with what is caught in Berdyansk on the spit with buckets, etc. This is not the stone shrimp (Palaemon elegans), that's a fact.
Frederick
I don't get confused. Come to Donetsk, I'll show you. It's just like in the photo.
Holly
It's better if you send a photo, and we'll see if it's the same or not. P.S. For me, it's the same distance to Donetsk and the Black Sea. Only the sea is great.
Stephanie9175
You don't even need to get into the water to catch them! The simplest homemade net made from mosquito netting easily catches them from the pier or on the rocks with seaweed.
As for Berdyansk and the Azov Sea in general, I agree: the shrimp are the same as in the Black Sea. It's just that on the rocks their color is darker and more vibrant, while on the sand it's paler.
Rebecca1419
That's absolutely right. They are a bit lighter. But this is Palemon. With blue stripes. Moreover, the locals in Berdyansk remember both greenlings and seahorses and many other creatures. But I haven't encountered them, or maybe I just wasn't looking in the right places. But I saw how they caught a scorpion fish on a hook. The locals know it's poisonous and called it a sea devil. They cut the line along with the hook and released it.
Emily
I agree, earlier the sea in Berdyansk was both cleaner and saltier; now it has become more diluted and has been polluted from end to end.
Joseph9203
don't you see.. it's funny..
if it's not a secret, who has seen so many caterpillars like before? about 10 years ago?
and just imagine what's happening in the sea...
I think a lot more questions are arising.
Gabriel
Expressions are born! As I stepped out in March on the shores of the Black Sea, and saw on the beach a strip of paralyzed rapanas and shells... Just expressions... idiomatic...
Raven7170
For 4 years they live in the reef, spawning every year; the small ones are a great feed for the fish! And watching them is a pleasure!
Heather6148
It's interesting! Do the same shrimp live for 4 years, or do you add new ones? Literature says these shrimp live for 9-12 months... I have them for the first year, so I can't say for sure... By the way, they carry eggs every two weeks.
Nicholas2252
It depends on what you fill the tanks with. In general, I dive regularly, but I've never encountered anything like that. Maybe I'm not using the right mixes.
Joseph9057
Or before diving, special preparation is needed.
Chad
You can see all kinds of shrimp on the twenty.
Jonathon8514
Yes, there are plenty of monuments on the shore to the "witnesses" of the obvious and the incredible. This is no laughing matter!
Travis572
7 individuals were planted in the aquarium, and I constantly see from 3 to 5 individuals since they are spawning. It is quite possible that these are not the same ones. By the way, I caught them in the estuary where the salinity is over 40 g/l, so I freshened them up in the reef!
Melanie
I only encountered them at the cape, specifically on the cliffs where there is no one around, about 200 meters to the left if you stand at the swallow's nest looking at the sea, they are very beautiful in the water!!! There are a lot of them there...
Justin9867
The question is how to bring them to Kyiv...
Mark7376
A question in return. Which shrimp are you talking about? If it's the red one, please give me some...
Joseph8592
For shrimp larvae to survive in the reef on their own is purely a fantasy. Even the most experienced shrimp breeders cannot always raise the young to at least 1 cm in length—this is actually a huge problem.
As for the fact that you diluted them in the reef, that's quite normal, as many inhabitants of estuaries often experience sharp changes in salinity, for example, during heavy rains...
Regarding such longevity—that is indeed an amazing fact.
Jason9952
In a jar with seawater. 2 pieces arrived in a half-liter bottle, and they are doing great.
Tracy4603
I'm also curious about the lifespan of palemonids. So far, mine have lived just over a year (since August of last year). I'm interested to see how much longer they will live.
Kevin262
Where do they go afterwards? If to the reef, how do they handle the transition?
Katie5500
They transition quite normally. However, what we noticed is that when we placed the stones they were sitting on into the tank with the grass shrimp, they immediately started to mindlessly eat them (serpulids). So be careful...
Allison
Thank you, I will try to find them.
Melanie
Black Sea palemonids, as it turned out the day before yesterday during an unintentional experiment, feel fine in a salinity of 40 parts per thousand and with a complete overload of nitrites and nitrates.
Gregory9432
The shrimp is amazing!!! The day before yesterday, I put in about 15, and by today, all the hair algae is gone)))) and one has already molted!!! It's a cool thing! They are constantly tearing something on the rocks. And they are beautiful in their own way)))
Cassandra7840
Oh... and my ones were eaten during molting. Both of them.
Charles894
Beauty, usefulness, endurance, and peacefulness are just a few of the many virtues of the Palemon Elegans shrimp. It has already firmly established its popularity among tropical marine aquarium enthusiasts, where it lives with great pleasure. Even without prior acclimatization from 18 to 35 parts per thousand. Just brought it in and immediately released it...
Charles4157
I also have about 15 of those shrimp living with me. And the most important thing is that they are constantly in sight. They coexist peacefully with the tetras (Lysmata).
Gabriel
My ones are not so good. At first, there were four, now only two are left. Two were definitely eaten by the toras, and there’s a photo to prove it. They are hunting the Black Sea ones very actively, but those are quite nimble and manage to escape. However, the hunting area is limited to the territory around the "nook" where the lysmates live.
Now there are already six Black Sea ones (I added four). I completely agree with Anatoly - they are very useful animals, the most active cleaners, even cleaning the processed coral crumbs. They take the green ones with their little paws, twist them in front of their mouths, and voila - they discard the white ones.
It's all about the dexterity of their hands and mouths, no trickery.
Lindsay
You surprised me; I never thought that the tor and palemon could eat them. So far, God has spared me, and they haven't touched them; maybe the tor is still too small. However, I still lean towards the idea that the "tor" is not the cause of the palemon shrimp's death. Perhaps the palemon died, and the tor picked it up as a food source.
Tasha
Moreover, this shrimp thrives well even in freshwater aquarium enthusiasts' setups. It is probably the only organism that can live at 4% salinity and in tap water. Additionally, in my freshwater setup, they are already carrying eggs, but, of course, they are unlikely to reproduce.
Todd8452
It's very interesting. Can I see photos of how they look in a freshwater aquarium with fish and plants? Otherwise, it's just words, nothing more.
Wendy2244
So, here it is.
It's not quite an ordinary aquarium, but it's freshwater, after all!
Richard2180
I watched it, to be honest, it's very interesting.
Jeffery
I'm curious if they will reproduce under such conditions. In this aquarium, zebra mussels and river clams are reproducing; I actually set up this aquarium as an experiment for "autonomous" maintenance, without special feeding for the needlefish, so there are conditions for the constant presence of small crustaceans and microorganisms. I don't think all the larvae will be eaten by the needlefish, so if they can grow in freshwater, at least some will survive.
By the way, regarding the filamentous algae—it's true, they eat the filamentous algae, but another type of algae, more attractive in terms of growth rate and appearance, has taken its place.
Ricardo7341
Off-topic. The larva of the sea slug lasted three to four days. I added something from the coral feed - I don't remember now. Many write that it's not possible to raise them, but it's worth trying. That's how discoveries are made.
John828
Maybe so. I didn't see the actual murder; I noticed it when Tor was dragging Palemon, and he was still wriggling.
I observe the hunt for Palemons every day. The doctors pounce, thrusting their white "pike-paws" forward and using a stabbing motion; they pounce not to scare them away from food, for example, but specifically to stab.
Randy
Javier5186
You should check first, maybe around 9-10, then experiment.
What is the goal of this project? And if it's not marine interest, then you won't find help here; this is for freshwater shrimp enthusiasts.
As far as I know, from +15 to +29.
And you shouldn't have done that until you study all the pros and cons.
Yes. The water should be of high quality and well oxygenated!
Joseph6461
I didn't report on the volume. The aquarium is 30 liters. Following your advice, I will buy a refractometer, and then I will definitely know what the salinity is. I want to keep 7-9 palemon fish (I really like them) and 5 ov from the same region. I also read that some freshwater species can be transferred to brackish aquariums (of course, if the palemons don't eat them). Freshwater enthusiasts won't help, as the water in the Bug is not freshwater, and palemons are not freshwater creatures. I agree 100%, I was wrong. I want to set up a hanging filter, SunSun HBL-501 II. Maybe then aeration won't be needed.
Kevin3114
I read your posts in the relevant thread about the Southern Bug and its inhabitants. I wanted to get in touch, but either your inbox is full or something else is going on. I already tried with freshwater, but it didn't work out ;-( I also tried with saltwater, and that didn't work either ;-( Maybe the transfer from one environment to another happened too quickly and incorrectly, or maybe something else. But I understood that in strictly freshwater (at least those from the Southern Bug) they don't live. I'm not sure where they are found in the Ingul, but I accidentally stumbled upon them in the Southern Bug and was amazed. I really liked them. Perhaps that's why I rushed and ended up losing the shrimp ;-(
Pamela
By the way, besides these creatures, you can also take some stones with sea acorns and a few nerites. However, these creatures didn't live very long for me; the acorns require a food suspension in the water, and the nerites probably also don't find what they need. The only option is to take substrate and live rocks from the southern part near the estuary and set up a semi-marine aquarium.
Kendra2262
They live, I still have them in fresh water. I no longer add salt. But I keep some clay from the river in the water. The temperature matters; at the beginning, it should ideally be no more than +22°C. And gradually, you need to change the water. I tried releasing shrimp and crabs into the main aquarium without acclimating them to the new water—shrimp die instantly! Not all crabs perish. Ideally, if you can bring about 30 liters of water straight from the river, and then gradually top it up with salted tap water during water changes, you have a 100% guarantee.
Darrell5975
I read extensively on the internet about aquariums with water up to 6 parts per thousand, transitional between saltwater and freshwater. And there are stones with acorns (probably them) in the aquarium. They move around while alive, unlike Palemon.
Kathryn514
I would like to, but I'm not sure. Otherwise, they would have been sold in freshwater instead of Amano long ago, but alas. They live, but they are rarely seen; they hide. However, if you shine a light into a dark aquarium, you might catch them off guard.
Julie
How long do they live? It's really interesting; I would like to create an aquarium with our beauties—there are such beautiful algae on the rocks, amphipods, acorns, polychaetes, all sorts of little crustaceans. But I haven't decided yet.
As for Palemon, they seem to reproduce with difficulty, needing a planktonic larva, salinity, and so on. And the main thing is that they require low temperatures. I think that's why they won't be popular, even if they are purely freshwater a hundred times over.
Brent5588
It's not such a low temperature.
Nicole7268
They have been living since Sunday. I do change the water every day, about 10 liters.
Joseph8592
And what about in winter?
Omar3497
Today I was gathering the team again. I hope it works out. The water is really only +7, brrr, although the air is colder by 4-5 degrees.
Debbie3587
Questions have arisen
What affects the color of shrimp (diet, lighting, etc.)
And I also understand that brackish and marine waters are inherently harder than river water
Therefore, it is safe to place shells in an aquarium with shrimp
Diana3118
It feels like a conversation with myself, but oh well ;-)
It's clear that for sailors this is a bit boring, while freshwater fish don't have that.
Unfortunately, there isn't anything for brackish aquariums.
It seems like I managed to transfer the Palemon fish to the aquarium.
A week plus a day, the flight is normal.
The algae I used to bring from the Bug don't want to take root, so I had to throw them away.
Today, to the joy of the Palemons, I brought some algae for them to munch on.
If they start to die again, I'll throw them out.
By the way, one Palemon molted today, which seems like a good sign.
I'm attaching a few photos.
Angela7060
Earlier in this topic, there was a rumor about the "red Black Sea shrimp" - it seems to have been confirmed!
Please welcome: "Lysa seticaudata"
Bonnie
I was directly present during the capture of this type of shrimp and the identification of the species by my colleague and friend, candidate of biological sciences, associate professor of the Department of Hydrobiology and General Ecology at ONU, Oleg Kovtun. They can still be found in the caves of Tarkhankut. The size was striking, very large and with long antennae. For reference, the salinity of the water in the Tarkhankut area is one of the highest in the Black Sea.
Rebecca
Well, on the topic, a polypterus in a tropical aquarium.
Robert5335
Could you please tell me if it's possible to buy polyps somewhere in Kyiv? If they eat filamentous algae, I would take them instead of hermits, for example.
Kyle
Unlikely. They were selling at the forum in the summer, but now it's off-season.
Andrea9320
I brought 7 shrimp from the Black Sea, 4 males and 3 females, the females were carrying eggs. So, all the males have been living for 6 months now, but unfortunately, the females couldn't survive in my sea.
Emily3506
I have a couple of polyps left from the summer season + a bit of fry that were born in my aquarium.
In the Black Sea, I saw shrimp that I haven't even encountered in photos - colorful and resembling a flying fish.
Megan
Friends, can you tell me what the specifics are for transporting shrimp? I will soon be going to Crimea and want to bring some back! I will be traveling from Sevastopol to Donetsk, and the travel time is 11 hours plus the time to get to and from the train. What do I need for a successful completion of this task?
Mary
Two options.
1. Two bottles of 5-10 liters. One contains shrimp, and the other has relatively clean seawater ) just collected from the sea ) before sending them from the sea, you change almost all the water for them, and you will do the second replacement halfway home.
2. A battery-powered compressor.
Cheryl
In Tarkhankut, they are found not only in caves but also in the surf zone of the rocks; naturally, they are not large here - up to 5 cm:
photo from June of this year
Michael
There are also little red ones under the Karadag cliffs. The trouble is that you can't catch them easily with your hands... In two days, I only caught two with the help of a bag... and I didn't even bring them home.
Natalie
Absolutely correct in these seas: Aegean, Adriatic, Ionian, Cretan, Libyan, Tyrrhenian, Ligurian, Alboran, Balearic. It inhabits in the same quantity or even more due to the warm climate there.
Kimberly2102
And what about you? You can buy everything you want in Germany, and it's cheaper than here.
Jessica6754
Guys! Help with the purchase of 3 palemon fish and a couple of diogenes! I'm looking for any wildlife from the Black Sea... and I can't find any....... Write to me in private messages!!!
John828
off-season, so to speak((
Since the beginning of summer, shrimp return to shallow waters and local divers become active. (By the way, you can catch palemon and grass shrimp in the Azov Sea - for example, in Belosarayka, you can catch them by the bucket on good days)
This is if someone has any supplies left at home.
Sarah5423
I understand! I used to fish in the Sea of Azov at Palemon... if I had known earlier...))))))
Jeffrey6189
Off-topic. What do you think, will all this make it to Germany through three borders, and how much will it cost you? How many shrimp do you want, 1000 or 5? I assume you just came here to chat out of boredom? It would be much cheaper and easier for you to bring the same creatures from the Mediterranean; it's all the same, the same shrimp, the same anemones, and hermit crabs.
Katherine
The government has taken measures to protect the rapana—there is a hefty fine for catching it (I don't remember the exact amount, around 200 per piece).
Shelby3182
Well, it's much closer than to the Black Sea coast!
Where is it not???
What did you expect, to sweat, study, or hope for someone else?
It's true, because that's how it is; it takes you three times less to get to the Mediterranean than to the Black Sea coast. Or are you just mocking in your posts? It's so pointless.
Here is a photo of the Black Sea hermit crab (Clibanarius erythropus).
Brandi
So what's the question? If the channel is established, then the question, as I understand it, is resolved! We can stop here!
Melissa3200
Please be respectful in the topics.
Anne4851
Your posts do not provide any useful information and fall under the definition of spam.
Joshua9847
Could you tell me why the shrimp sheds its eggs?
Tiffany5069
Could you tell me why the shrimp is shedding its eggs? THANK YOU.
Sandra7004
Could you please tell me why a shrimp sheds its eggs? THANK YOU.
Jill9137
Have you encountered Dutch sheep in Berdyansk?
Kendra2262
You are confusing what is caught in Berdyansk on the spit with buckets, etc. This is not the stone shrimp (Palaemon elegans), that's a fact. - Can you tell me: what is it then, - is it grass shrimp? THANK YOU.
Kathleen
Do not use repetitive messages.
Stephen5857
Good afternoon! Sorry to bother you: could you please tell me (I want to come to Odessa not during the swimming season) where I can buy Black Sea marine life? THANK YOU.
Aaron580
Here you have an Odessa resident. Well, in general, we have a flea market where you will find a lot from the region you need.
Rachel9060
Could you please tell me where I can purchase Slim Palaemon - Palaemon elegans and other Black Sea creatures?
Katie5500
If you are interested in my data, you can view it on my page. And if you take a close look at this topic, you can see that I did not write about: - buckets, - t-shirts, - aquariums, and other things. Personally, I started my acquaintance with the Black Sea and its fauna (with a scuba diving) back in 1968.
Kellie
Such a beauty was caught in Crimea near Foros, most likely Palaemon adspersus, or possibly the stone Palaemon elegans.
Jeremy
No, I am not interested in you. I am already keeping you and your two friends from Germany in my field of attention, who ask the same questions everywhere. Note that the answer to your and their question does not concern you.
Heather
The topic is closed. All questions have been answered and even more.