• Choosing a pen - let's vote

  • James8887

I choose my, atman+lagoon=love until the grave.

Rodney

Complete nonsense.

Michele

What is the price category? What is the price of the penny, from A and from Dmitry?

Angela7060

What does this voting give? Let's do a comparative test instead.

Richard

Oh, an incomplete scale for voting. Where is Royal Exclusive? I think it outperforms everyone in all aspects... Except for the price...

Vanessa

I think there is no point in voting, although I voted for Sasha's pen because I use it and am very satisfied. I haven't seen Dima's pen, and it's impossible to determine the effectiveness of the work based on photographs. I believe that everyone who votes for a particular device has only seen one of them in person or hasn't seen any at all. It turns out that the votes will most likely be cast not for the quality of the product, but for personal sympathy towards Sasha or Dima.

Stephen5857

There must be more: 3. All your pennies are complete rubbish! 4. What is a penny?

Emily3506

You took this topic too seriously. It says in the first post that we just choose which one we like, not which one is better.

Robert5335

Which one is better will be determined by comparative testing of two foamers. Or more. For now, not against.

Kenneth7210

And really, the technical specifications, etc. are missing. Otherwise, there's nothing to compare.

Laura3673

I just don't understand why to create this circus if no one can really assess your item - you don't provide any characteristics, and based on the photos you've posted, only a few can evaluate the work, no one has seen it in person... So what should we evaluate??????? appearance????? attitude towards you and me???? What???????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????

Aaron6112

You can try asking those who voted.

Brian7092

Stas, when you launch it, try it out, listen to it, after that you can talk to the people who bought from me, and only after that, most likely, you will be able to understand what is worth its money and what is not.

Marie5348

And not only will I launch it, but I will also listen to it. I will write everything as it is. Moreover, not after the first few minutes of work, but after about 2-3 weeks. I guarantee that I will find some negative aspects in it. I won't hesitate - I will share them. And I hope that Dmitry will perceive this not as a call to action, but as information for improving the quality of the subsequent product. However, after a visual inspection, I have no comments at all. Special RESPECT to the two details: smooth drainage adjustment and the bayonet connection of the bowl (this is very important for me - height limitation of the cabinet).

Kenneth7331

kindergarten, 2nd group...

Natasha7622

And I am for Deltec.

Adam4310

Me too!

Stuart

I want to add that I bought the pen on the condition that I receive it, and if I like it 100% in use, then I will buy it. Furthermore, if any design flaw is discovered, it will be fixed (I can glue in place any major component made by Dmitry myself). Both conditions were proposed (no, he insisted on them) by Dmitry.

Brandy

I bought a pen from Sasha under the same conditions.

Melinda

Hello. I think that with all these changes you'll end up with design A ))))) What I don't like about A, first of all, is the lack of a bayonet connection - it's a really cool feature when washing. Otherwise, it's a bit heavy. Although maybe I'm just being difficult ))). And secondly, it's heavy to lift )))

Lee

Oh, I'll be in Kyiv, I'll come to visit. At least I'll see the whole process in person. Honestly, looking at the truth, we will never gather a bunch of extra pennies for testing in one city.

Michelle13

Also, Tkach makes peniki, let's discuss that too.

Kristen1161

And what about him?

Brooke3987

Well, for the company. Otherwise, it's gone, unseen and unheard. Why are there only 2 participants? God loves the Trinity.

Sheila

You are welcome.

Christopher

I would also like to add that a mandatory condition (proposed) is the following: if the penny a wins, I take it for $450, and I must return its product. And vice versa.

Kimberly4253

It would be great if a good branded skimmer participated in the comparative testing, so we could really understand what’s what.

Amanda

I think the test will not be objective.

Melinda2740

Why do you think so? Justify your opinion. Suggest options for objective testing. In fact, everyone can propose their own version of what they consider to be the correct testing.

Melissa

will vote with money. I don't think he will buy the worst pen. But if the differences in the results are small, I think it would be fair to attribute this to measurement error and declare a draw.

Anne4851

Buddha taught us that our "Ego," our "Self," is the root cause of all suffering. In our madly passionate pursuit of comfort and security, our "Ego" turns us into slaves of a vicious cycle of joys and sorrows, for comfort and security are merely illusions. / Author Koun Yamada Great people do great things, while good people create for centuries. / Austrian writer Maria Ebner-Eschenbach May friendship prevail.

Amanda

The testing procedure is simple in my opinion. In ONE system, the foamers are installed SIMULTANEOUSLY, configured, and their performance is monitored based on the DRY residue over a unit of time.

Devon107

You already roughly bought a pen from Dmitry - you liked it more. It's not good to refuse like that. So it smells a bit of subjectivity. Ideally, it would be good to test the pens at some kind of internal competition with a large jury. It's just a bit difficult to carry out. And I'm afraid that the "hot guys" will end up getting into each other's faces. PS Sorry for the off-topic. Stas, you promised to send me something.

Linda

Maybe I'm wrong, but I noticed one thing: if there are two pumps in the system, the best one takes on all the load, while the second one just circulates the water.

Lindsey3362

The foam machine is currently waiting in the samp with two other working foam machines. Everyone is hitting the foam, just one is hitting more and the others less.

Leonard

Everything happens under the observation of an independent audience.

Kimberly2102

There is one more nuance: if you install two absolutely identical skimmers in the system, one will still produce more than the other...

Christine864

Several major global manufacturers of skimmers and a number of smaller ones are present in the market. Each evaluates their products differently; some lie less, some more, but in my opinion, they all lie. There is an organization called the Aquarists' Association and a Forum. These two structures can and should, in my opinion, provide an independent expert assessment of everything that is offered in the market. Regarding small discrepancies... I will not be satisfied... I think everyone will only be satisfied with real indicators, and there should and will be a significant difference.

Brooke

The skimmers are already at the start, soon everything will be clear.

Caitlin3279

Since there may be difficulties in obtaining the dry residue, I suggest the following procedure for qualitative and quantitative assessment: drain the skimmate (over 3-4 days), rinse the residue on the walls of the cup, then dilute (the more concentrated one) to achieve the same color intensity, and after that compare the volumes.

David953

It's time to publish the results, as people are getting anxious. I think 5 days is enough to determine the functionality of the pensioners. Or maybe you decided to invite all of Kharkiv for evaluation. I'm very interested not in the final result, but in the process of adjusting the pensioners and their performance during this time. P.S. Our politicians are also independent people... I think the hint is clear. Maybe after testing in Kharkiv, the pensioners will come for testing in Kyiv? I think there are many interesting people here who would be happy to give their assessment...

Justin

Here lies the problem with setting up two powerful foamers in one system. They can only be checked once a day. The main issue is that in this sump, where they are located, there is no auto top-off, and the water level fluctuates by several centimeters a day, which greatly affects the settings of the foamers. Last night, an auto top-off was installed, and it seems that the foamers have been finally adjusted. I think the results will be announced by the upcoming weekend.

Jeffrey2277

I think many forum participants want to observe the developments, but most of us, including myself, do not have the opportunity to come to Kharkiv. I suggest making a photo report of the work of the volunteers at least once a day. This will allow for an objective assessment, as everyone who wishes will be able to participate and discuss the process.

Kendra2262

Denis, that's what we'll do. And if during those 2 incomplete weeks that we have the skimmer, we set it up, then the skimmer is still not ready. The reason for this was the fluctuating water level in the sump. Today we found it (the skimmer) with a full cup of very thin skimmate. We adjusted the settings again. Tomorrow I'll take my camera with me and take pictures of what I see, no matter what it is. We'll adjust the skimmers online every evening. P.S. I'll post the photos and comparative characteristics of the measurements made over the weekend.

David3217

Stas, you really got yourself a headache )))) I suggest giving Stas a pen as a gift for the winner. The advertisement is quite impressive after all )

Curtis9143

The best advertisement would be if our contestants in the testing created a powerful foam from a renowned brand.

Linda

We don't have powerful foamers from renowned brands (Ati, Royal Exclusive, Aqua-C...).

Wendy

Who won?

David4089

It would be nice to get some news.

Alec9378

The pause has dragged on. The independent commission is either in shock, or reaching out to well-known brands, or on vacation, or something has happened... It's been a week since it was cut off! Stas, do you have any news? All 23 voters, especially the two of them, would be interested in the outcome. The topic has gathered almost two thousand visitors in less than a month. Two weeks of testing should show results in at least some areas. Best regards, ...

Janet5447

Who will write the resume??? I want to express my thoughts right away about the last three photos. There is dirt at the base of the cone on Fedor's pen. How do you clean it? I understand that after a month of work it will get pretty dirty, and I will need to take the pen out? What do you use to reach it when cleaning? A big downside, of course, is that there is no bayonet. Maybe someone has compartments for the sump in several cubic meters, but I have a small one, so taking this thing out is a hassle. For those who didn't understand - the bowl is removed upwards, and its travel is about 20 cm.

Leonard

Oh yes, I will tell you about connecting the protein skimmer to the system. The skimmer is designed to be connected to the water drain in the sump from the aquarium. But that would be unfair. Therefore, the drain goes directly into the sump, and the skimmer itself is powered by an Aqua-Bi 3000 pump. However, it turned out to be too powerful for the skimmer, and it had to be "choked" down to 2 tons; otherwise, the skimmer couldn't be adjusted - it was pushing water into the cup even with the water drain from the skimmer fully open.

Angel628

I’m confused Finally, I can't believe my eyes... One request to the judges - indicate the water level in the skimmers and the volume of foam Gentlemen, place your bets

Alexander

Where did this opinion come from - were measurements of the bubbles taken????? How was this done????? Show the result You can also estimate the size of the bubble - apply a ruler to the body and take a photo (this method is approximate) But for now, since nothing has been done, I ask you not to make "ceiling" statements.

Jessica5348

Okay. In the evening, I will take a photo of the foam for review with an attached ruler and indicate the foam level.

Charles5941

This remark has already been taken into account. A set for replacing the cone is currently being prepared, and the diameter there will be 10 cm, allowing a hand to pass freely inside the foam for cleaning. Regarding the size of the bubble - if it turns out to be GOOD to photograph, it will be interesting. I haven't been able to do it. P.S. People are testing the foam, spending their time and effort. They are figuring out what the foam is and "what it's used for." They promised to evaluate it impartially. Let's not criticize their statements. Football players do not criticize the referee on the field.

Melissa3200

I'm not an expert in creating skimmers, but I would like the cone to be connected to the bayonet or something similar. Right now, I've got a lot of Carolina and greens growing inside the skimmer itself. It's breaking the bubble in its own way. The bubbles are tearing this junk off, and so on and so forth. I've cleaned it twice in 10 months. Pulling the skimmer out of the sump is quite a hassle. If only I could just twist it to the side - and bam, the whole skimmer is open - clean it and twist it back. The skimmer cup fills up - twist it, go and drain it. Now that would be great!

Elizabeth

It is worth adding that Dmitry's pen can be used even as an external one - it is not sensitive to the water level. However, the pen requires a strictly defined water level (and without daily fluctuations).

Meghan

The coin on my skimmer is 1.5-2 cm above the water level. In this area, only foam is visible, and the bubble is already larger. It needs to be redone...

Julie4738

Dmitry's pen is poorly visible.

Michelle104

Why wasn't it mentioned that the fuel pump on the BEKETA injector sucks in only 1200 liters of air? Or are these pumps just complete junk?

Chad231

It's not true, my penny after a complete wash in vinegar (for the first time in all the time I've been using it) accelerated in the air to about 2000 liters. However, the bubble is a bit off.

Michelle1662

What is the power of the pump?

Justin9867

It depends on the pump. My Chinese Atman is rated at 145-165W. Overall, it's not a subject for debate. I'm not claiming that foamers on injectors are "the best." On the contrary, I'm replacing it with a better and more economical one.

Nicholas

You might consider that Stas may need to sell his old pen, while you criticize him publicly.

Daniel8015

And my pen is hard to criticize, and it doesn't need advertising: my rhyme has been launched and grown on it!!!

Elizabeth882

I think this is the main argument, at least for me. But you can criticize anything. For example, someone might write that a pen is not essential, that you can build a rhyme without a pen, and show pictures from the internet. It will turn out that it's unclear what portion of the work they did there, and no one will check it. I'm saying this because online debates can last indefinitely, and usually everyone sticks to their opinion. What is happening in this topic right now, I mean the transition from words to action, is a very rare case, and I thank all the participants for it.

Wesley

if there is so much originality, it needs to be patented

Joseph9057

This has already been done and therefore is not original; I borrowed this option from ATI in one of their models a couple of years ago, but of course, what is new is just well-forgotten old.

Mark9853

Measurements were taken to determine how much skimmate can fit in each foam block. Currently, visually, each is filled to about half.

Dana4701

It can be calculated using a formula. In general, they fill up quickly because they are set for liquid foam. While they are working together, it is problematic to adjust them for thick, dense skim. Moreover, together these foamers can handle 5 tons, but they were set up for 1 ton on a lean diet. The experiment will need to be finished on Saturday morning - then we will measure the volume of the skim in the bowls.

Deborah2682

And how did the aquarium react to that?

John1464

I suggest also evaluating the taste and smell.

Rodney3101

I have dirt sticking to the very tip of the pen. I clean it myself with a toothbrush without any hassle, but as I mentioned earlier, I made another tip with a diameter of 10 cm - my hand fits through without any problems. And Carolina and greenery - if light falls on the pen, it will accumulate.

Joseph6461

The pen holder itself stands on soft silicone legs. Right now, the next pen holder is being made, and it will have both a silicone sleeve and legs made of the same silicone. Let's listen to how it will hum. P.S. All feedback is welcome; it is important to me.

Chad231

Shall we continue? Everything is so interesting. I will also test the new cone with you in Kharkiv.

Kellie

It's hard to say. The main thing is that it hasn't gotten worse. The installation of the protein skimmers happened along with the replacement of the sump - the "pseudo DSB" was removed, and the substrate was replaced with live rocks. Because of this, a large water change was made, which the corals responded to positively. Now, due to the sudden change in the environment in the sump, dinoflagellates have reappeared in small numbers. I think the two powerful protein skimmers are helping me cope with these transitional processes.

Robert

NOOO!!! We need to find a new victim (or lucky one). Because of the two faulty pens, the compartments of the new SAM are incorrectly utilized, and I want to finish the project. How long have we been testing them already?!!! After all, aquaristics didn't stop at just those pens.

Katherine

Oh really!!!!!! Look how he started singing when confronted with the facts. I listed all the shortcomings to you even before the tests, and what did you say..... You would still be telling your tales about the magic bubble....

Anthony7814

You are evil, however.

Stephen5857

I completely agree. There's not much to say publicly. But I made a mistake by getting into a dispute with Shepetivka, just like I did earlier with Peter. It's useless to prove anything. PR is PR, but I think knowledgeable people haven't changed their opinions. Although there's a lot of information. It will never hurt. The trend will be saved if, with development, there is a decrease in price due to lower production costs and reduced markup (while maintaining quality). They might even be able to push out importers, if not completely, then significantly. There won't be lower prices for brands compared to "garage" products. Again, this is assuming the brands lose in technical specifications.

Larry9400

A comparative analysis with the brand would still yield results. Image and prestige are not to be overlooked. Often, the subconscious mind comes into play. The fact that the performance-to-price ratio is better with ours would be firmly established. Although this has been mentioned a hundred times already... And those who use its products know this better than anyone else. Respectfully,....

Brianna

I really didn't understand the purpose of the skimate collection test - it's the most incorrect part of the test. Honestly, both Stas and Yura have an advantage with one of the skimmers, judging by the photos. What I mean is that the water discharge is definitely on one side with one of the skimmers. It takes the water first, cleans it, and immediately throws part of the water to the other for further cleaning, thus lowering the quality of the skimate. If it was so important, I think it would have been better to set up something like a stand with two discharges from the aquarium into two identical containers that are not connected to each other. That would have been more objective. Therefore, it would have been sufficient to limit the measurements to the technical specifications.

Lauren

The conditions are certainly not ideal... But it's better than nothing.

Joseph

Oh, how much you have already written. I just got home (returned from a business trip), and now I will be working on the final stage of the test. I will respond in order: 1. The foamers are in equal conditions. The pipe you see in the photo is an emergency drain. The working drain is located behind Dmitry's foamer. Moreover, the foamer creates such a circular circulation in the sump that the water mixes multiple times. 2. I am also interested in comparing the technical specifications with the volume of the skimmer. For now, I will step away, go take photos, measure, and then I will post everything here.

Darrell7542

Regarding the comparison with brands, I can say that I specifically had a choice: either to take a cheaper option with an unknown result for me, or to take the more expensive Deltek, which is 100% effective because it is proven. And I don't know which is better.

Susan

Complete and unconditional victory a

Amanda5586

Of course, I didn't want to choose between the manufacturers of foamers... But here it's definitely 1.5 times better (reminding you, the main parameter for me is the skimat that has been knocked out). Therefore, I've already kept the foamer a. What can I say - experience won. But at the same time, I wouldn't say that Dmitry's foamer is bad. I would definitely say that it is more efficient than my old version on the backplate, and there's no point in comparing it with Riff Octopuses and Aquamedics (forgive me, Aquamedic owners - it's just not comparable). I would like to see a modified version in action. But that's not up to me... Otherwise, my wife will kick me out of the house.

Brandy1134

Don't be upset, it's all nonsense, you'll take the shortcomings into account, buy a rotameter, and in a short time you'll be able to have a dialogue with brands and "Alexlog" in numbers.

Danielle9144

When I told you about real shortcomings and parameters, you responded that it was envy and malicious attacks. I stand by every word I said, while everything you claimed has collapsed to the ground. You wanted to substitute real parameters and quality with voting results, but sorry, it didn't work out. You have votes, but nothing more. To achieve something good, you need to work hard for a long time, not just with words, but with your hands and mind.

Alyssa1438

Votes are very important! This means that his fans were ready to buy from him, even though he advertised them much less than you do. Alexander, you need to work on your image, and you regularly damage it.

Gabrielle5053

To check a box and actually buy are two different things, as life has confirmed. A person buys not my image but a specific product. Everything I say, I say to someone's face, not behind their back. If someone doesn't like the real state of affairs, then they shouldn't blame the mirror.

Brandi

The conditions for the skimmers were equal. The settings varied until they entered the mode and adapted to the system. The difference in the amount of collected skimmate was similar for both wet foam and dry foam settings. All conclusions that can be drawn from the results are not much different from the conclusions here. I consider all results to be absolutely fair. Moreover, in three different systems with varying volumes and loads, my skimmer produced almost the same amount of foam.

Kathleen

In this particular case, but usually people buy the image or whatever they can afford. If it weren't for this test, Stas would have bought Dmitry's pen and thought that his pen was better than yours. After all, almost no one has the opportunity to try out two different devices before making a purchase and choose the better one. I'm writing all this not out of idle curiosity, but as a potential buyer, even though I have already bought a pen for myself, it probably won't be the last one in my life.

Randy

I will support you. I have expressed my wishes to you, and the people have encouraged you. I think they have already been taken into account. We will certainly support you with all our might. It is necessary to create competition for the lazy ones. Until now, there was a monopoly, but since yesterday, the monopoly is collapsing. The main thing is that the end consumer wins. Personally, I will be glad to see your new products. And God willing, you won't stop at what you've started. GOOD LUCK!

Andrew9246

And yet, with such settings, there is too high a percentage of evaporated humid air in the bowl, which, upon condensing, adds volume; the foam should be sticky and dirty, and the skimmate should be terribly smelly. This is one of the main parameters of efficiency; it doesn't smell like condensate. But again, I must reiterate that the conditions of the experiment were inadequate for the tested devices; both were in an aquarium of the wrong volume.

Jacqueline6670

I suggest testing Mega Buran.

Tracy

I have already said it, and I will repeat - the main goal for me in this topic is not to sell a skimmer to Stas and not to "tear apart" Fedor, but primarily to teach people how to properly evaluate and choose skimmers. This will close the door to the market for many manufacturers. Let them buy it from someone else, but this thing must be worthy.

Ross

First, find a several-ton aquarium.

Scott8536

Pure water evaporates and condenses, which does not affect the color. Stas monitored the volume and color. Do you have any suggestions on how to do this better? The virus is coming to St. Petersburg soon; I can pass something with it... Any 50, 80, 100, or 125 watts.

James3382

Such dinosaurs have no place here.... Four pumps.... only 3-4 liters of foam.... he just came from Deltak and can compete. Devices of the same power (consumption) can and should be compared.

Yolanda

It's easiest to engage in chatter.... I can send a skimmer, place yours next to it and conduct the test as you see fit.

Kristen2246

From the consumer's perspective, devices with the same price should be compared. This is usually how it is done when testing, for example, audio equipment. We are not launching "Buran" into space; we also need to keep track of the costs.

Leonard

In my opinion, it should be done like this: the skimmer must first have the necessary parameters that correspond to the chosen aquarium. Therefore, the parameters should be the first thing to consider, followed by quality, price, and the seller's demeanor.

Amanda

I agree. But are the parameters declared or real? Very few people often know the real ones, which is why testing is necessary. And since products with the same parameters can vary greatly in price, the cost must be taken into account in any case. Otherwise, it will be like comparing a Zaporozhets with a Mercedes; the Mercedes will clearly win, but how many people will buy it despite it being better?

Eric5208

I have examples with photos of much more monstrous dinosaurs, and at the moment there is not even 3 liters of foam with a crazy pump. But here's what's interesting: since you are focused on pumps like those from RE, show me at least one link to official data where it indicates guaranteed liters of foam. For example, I haven't encountered any such information yet; maybe I missed it. Air-water, that's the recipe for success, and foam is...

Angela6489

Very often, parameters can be determined without even turning on the product. You just need to know how.

Christine864

It's good that you know everything, but the others don't. Otherwise, everything would be simple; there would be no need to test anything, no one would argue with anyone, everyone would quietly buy their own pen without unnecessary debates and would only think about the beauty of the corals.

Alyssa6727

Air and foam are tightly connected. Knowing one, you can say the other with sufficient accuracy. Your blizzard pulls no more than 1500 liters of air, most likely 1200.

Julie4738

Between the air and the foam, there is something even more important: the dissolved organic matter, which varies in amount, and accordingly, the foam can be more or less present, or even absent altogether. If fat gets into the water, where is the foam then? But it will appear later; thus, foam is not always a constant quantity. Therefore, brands do not operate with such indicators. Regarding the Burans, depending on the pumps, there are different indicators, but they perform their function reliably, again without diminishing the merits of your products. I will conclude here, wishing you to live in harmony and not to quarrel.

Aaron

When you don't know, the main thing is to find someone who does and ask. You bought a skimmer, you asked me, no, but I have pumps from BM - complete garbage.

Earl

I think another test is coming up. It's very interesting to compare the pens, and I believe it will be a battle of two Titans. I will be in St. Petersburg with Igor Virus in August, and I can get the pen. Now the most important thing is whether the two gurus agree to a comparative test.

Gary6376

Absolutely right. If the skimmer is not functioning properly, organic matter accumulates, and then foam problems really arise. I tried to explain this here.

Susan9583

You expressed your opinion about the skimmer I bought. Is BM Bubble Master? I don't have a Bubble Master.

Wanda666

I initially wanted to say that competitions on penny boards are like racing lawnmowers for fun, and my product line is somewhat different, so you can compete among yourselves if you have nothing else to do, while we will use the devices for their intended purpose. P.S. I don't consider myself a guru; I'm just learning, and this process is endless.

Eric

Aleksandr P backed down I can't believe my eyes What will people say..... Malicious tongues (not me) will defend the defeat.... Tell me which model you are ready to fight, I will find something....

Sara4035

If there is no sense in this, then why invent various types of foamers and constantly improve them? There are constant discussions about whether the foamer of one company is better or worse than another; what is the point in that? The purpose of a foamer is to remove protein-based substances from the water, but how well a particular foamer can handle this is a question. A comparative analysis of two devices is always interesting...

Reginald5073

They won't say anything; they'll think the person is busy with work and not trying to elevate themselves, so it's better to "keep sawing, Shura, the pipes" and not come up with contests.

Diana8604

Denis, I wonder why? He made a lot of pens on the injector, so let him compete with them. I remind you that I do not intend to oppose my products to anyone, as I consider this an unnecessary action. There are parameters, so focus on them if you have nothing else to do.

Rick

You don't know our people..... We have openness... They'll say things that will make your ears curl... Competitions for lumberjacks, lawnmowers, firefighters, etc. are a common thing. Every self-respecting pro participates in them. It's a matter of prestige.

Debbie3587

No question, let's go with the injectors...

Danielle

What kind?? Such a pump

Carrie1606

I bought his bucket from Stas.

Heather

about the injectors a little later.

Patricia

Very exciting races, I watched with great interest. I would have participated myself if I could. It's a pity you didn't agree, now you'll have to call Royal Exclusive to the tournament. Moreover, he believes that price is not the main thing, but rather power and performance.

Anne4851

A little off-topic (inspired by the recent posts in the thread): Two psychoanalysts meet: - I bought myself a car like this: 500 horsepower, goes 230 km/h, accelerates to a hundred... - What are you talking about? I'm a professional too. Let's just do it right here: let's take it out and measure!

Michelle104

Some kind of "bro" scam went on, it's quite funny.

Aaron6112

I received the device for measuring power consumption... here is what we have.

Jill1815

Just what is needed: the pump is loaded to almost its nominal power (specifically 3/4 of the nominal). By the way, the pump hardly heats up in this mode.

Aaron6112

This shows that the pump primarily operates as a pumping pump, drawing a lot of air in parallel, rather than as a foam pump. For example, a similar pump with the same nominal power from Royal shows 58 watts, while moving 2000 liters of air per hour; this is for the Bubble King Deluxe 300 Internal foam pump.

Anthony7814

I think I got more resources out of the pump than RE. It's just that Royal's policy is to produce mega-reliable products with a long warranty period, so they were afraid to load the pump more. It's like: "better 58W, but it will last 100 years and won't break." This is just my opinion. Although I would really like to try their (RE's) mega scrubber that has no beginning or end instead of needles. But the price is steep... Oh yes: Is it true that the specified model of the skimmer uses a 100W pump? Maybe it's 80W?

Kenneth7210

this is evident from the shape of the body

Frank7213

And I still haven't seen a single reference to any other manufacturer that operates with the terms LITERS of foam; maybe I was not paying enough attention while browsing the internet.

Helen

These two parameters are clearly related. We look at the photo and the stated parameters and dimensions carefully. The ratio of foam volumes is 20/30. The ratio of sucked air is 2000/3000. Based on the testing conclusions, it is not difficult to guess that the volume of the skimmer for these skimmers will have a similar proportion.

William1830

Did you think about what you wrote? P.S. When adding Accutane (foaming agent), a dead Chinese pen's performance approaches Royal Exclusive.

Christopher4125

Dmitry, I already understood, still in the process, and the RE, of course, are idiots, who would doubt it, they initially do everything clumsily.

Richard

How do they calculate the volume for the foam in that case, if they don't care how much foam there will be?

Zachary

If this is the answer to my question, then the question was addressed to Aleksandr P. He implies that the volume of foam can be anything and it does not determine anything. In this case, how can the volume of the hull be calculated if it is unknown how much foam there will be?

George5104

I think my entire "problem" is that I made a skimmer better than Fedor's and aR's, and the fact that it is even better than RE's goes beyond all the "decency" of these "comrades."

Brent7831

Maybe they don't want to. When they need more foam, they just use TWO pumps. By the way, the message about the FROG and so on quietly disappeared, but it was quite amusing, as were the comments that followed.

Rodney3101

and they charge more money I think commerce plays a bigger role here than the technical capabilities of the equipment.

Rebecca1419

I specify three parameters The volume of foam can be estimated from the photo You don't specify anything except the price, it's just empty talk - it leaves only guessing how they work

Frank7213

You know, I have been driving various foreign cars since 1996; before that, I drove a Zhiguli. Looking at how the pipelines are laid out and where the blocks are located, I don't have any doubts that if two pumps are needed, then they are necessary. As for why they are needed, that's a deeper question, and inventing something after the R&D phase is probably very difficult.

James4342

When your competitors install one pump that is equal to your two and ask for less money for the product than you do, you will quickly understand why this is necessary. I do not consider R&D to be the standard and the limit of perfection.

Mario

You probably haven't had American cars.

Brenda

I actually started with them; they are certainly interesting devices, but I find European ones more understandable.

Teresa

There are also creators of foam cleaning machines... I can also create a monster that will be engaged in something. But the megaBuran - that's power! To create something like that, the creators still need to learn a bit...

Reginald5073

Killer...it's impossible to work.

Debra

Aleksandr P wanted to check your posts on Logo, where you measured the power of Laguna, but they seem to have disappeared somewhere, suddenly... Did some ill-wishers delete them???? Or did I miss something...

Joshua9847

It's not a problem to ramp up this pump to such indicators; I've shown similar results in relevant topics on the same pumps. The issue is whether it's necessary to pump that much air, and why they (RE) are not striving for such readings when they have all the means to do so. By the way, is the rotameter reading counted from the top or bottom of the float? No, I checked on-site. Ah, the power; it has been moved to the appropriate section.

Cindy

You can't please you—sometimes there's too much water, sometimes too much air, so where is the happiness then? I clearly showed that a smaller pump, which is simply cheaper, provides better performance with lower power consumption. I meant the post where your measurements of Laguna's power consumption (W) were.

Daniel8015

Success lies in the balance between these two indicators. By the way, the RE is 80, and the Ascol is loaded at 38-42 watts; I'm just providing these numbers for consideration. So far, I have only measured one option of 80; you can check the second link in the message above.

Rodney3101

It is very easy to reduce suction and power, but increasing suction without significantly raising power is already difficult.

Sheila

Pump Model: RD 1500 Air Draw LPH: 1500 Water Draw LPH: 2000-4000 Wattage: 48w Where is the balance???????????????????? This is pure marketing + cost reduction through the unification of parts and components of different models. At the same time, the product parameters are reduced, but profits increase. CONSUMER GOODS

Spencer7805

Aleksandr P apparently does not think so and seems to have overlooked that the person he sold it to will be tormented by curiosity, which I simply satisfied by kindly providing the rotameter.

Frank7213

I will respond briefly to this pile of letters. The pumps shown in all the photos are of varying degrees of development, which is why the results differ. The Buran that is installed and works well at the Rey also has a different pump, and the owner is aware of this. Lastly, the measurement results, even though the measurement was taken incorrectly, specifically through the muffler, have been distorted, and you know this very well, or should I show the photos? I wish you good luck in the American market.

Melissa3820

........... and the pennies are sold .....................

Alicia5489

Haha. The article is clearly commissioned.

Eric8832

mow it?

Jason

It's not about whose is better; the question is only about the reliability of the presented results. I wrote what I saw, no more, no less. If A has a clear answer, let them provide it.

Denise

The discussion has turned personal and rude. They also brought up the testers. The test itself was conducted quite a while ago, and people have expressed their opinions and voted. I think it's time to close the topic, as there is a lot of negativity in it. What do you think - should we close it or not? Close it - 2 people. Leave it open - 1 person.

Jasmine

let it be open....

Jonathan6173

They got banned. I see the disputes have turned into an international affair)))

Daniel8015

It may be possible to close it, but I think nothing will prevent writing in another thread.

Daniel

Maybe Sasha has his own wishes on this topic? Perhaps he wants it to be this way or that way? All adults have their own principles and ambitions, but what I read today... this is either excessive pride or drunken nonsense! By the way... I'm curious... are there moderators on this forum, forum rules, standards of decency? Whose responsibility is it to deal with the crap written by the participants? As I understand it, they quickly dealt with the "hooligans." P.S. Until a certain point, it was very pleasant to visit this internet resource...

Allison

It's much simpler - if you didn't like the message, click on the red triangle with an exclamation mark that is on the left next to each message.

Brent8919

Penny stocks are always sold. Good ones, of course, sell better. And cheap ones fly off the shelves like hot cakes. Like Coralife, for example.

Frederick

I don't know anything about Europe, but in America, they sell quite well. For those who understand, selling a penny is significantly easier than RE or Deltec. Americans are not very interested in such fancy products at crazy prices. Various forums are not taken into account; on any forum, regardless of its topic, there are always 10-15 participants who can chew on the same thing for days.

Luis3725

Can you provide a link to the store that sells them?

Amy9618

........... and the penny stocks are ordered.....

Troy8808

The link is me. For those who know, that's more than enough.

Danielle

In North America, the network is 110 volts. Are there Askoll pumps for 110 volts? Or are there some other pumps? It's not described on the forum, and no photos have been posted. That's not the author's style.

Alexander

That was the problem! There were plenty of pumps for 110V. We needed to find pumps for 220V. That's why I wrote on the AL website that I really love websites; you can always find anything there. For example, the Laguna pump, which can be easily broken apart to get the Askoll motor. So, it's clear that in America, a penny was required without a pump. We already fitted the pump on-site.

Chad4168

Who made the rotor?

Kayla7655

And why do the inflatable pools, supposedly sold in America, have pumps for 220 volts?

Alyssa1438

220V pumps are not needed in America; they have to be ordered. It was necessary to find a 220V pump for Odessa. They exist, but they are not available in America.

Melissa2062

So what pumps do the sold foamers in America work with? And who makes the rotors for them?

Julie3950

let's be more decent... 15 pages of nonsense... nerves are fraying... either get to the point or I'll just bury the whole topic...: what prompted you to register on this site... Are you registered on ? what is your nickname there... I have already looked through your answers on this forum - "very impressive"

Kimberly4253

Double 2 for the inattentive or very distracted. Original on page 14 "I will respond briefly to this pile of letters; all the pumps shown in the photos are of varying degrees of development, hence the different results. The Buran that is installed and works well at the Rey also has a different pump, and the owner is aware of this. And finally, the measurement results, even though the measurement was made incorrectly, namely through the muffler, you have distorted, and you know this very well, or should I show the photos? I wish you good luck in the American market."

Kellie

As a spy, I wasn't given the photo. I would have posted it a long time ago... I asked you two questions, and you didn't answer either of them. As someone who deals with the same issues as you, and since we are roughly on the same level, I understand perfectly that getting parameters on an already developed pump that are 10-20% better is already a significant success. Achieving a difference of 60-70%... tell that to... The air that the skimmer actually draws in is what I released. This is exactly the parameter that should be specified by the manufacturer.

Tina

I apologize for my off-topic comments, but this is the last one on this subject. It would be appropriate if the moderators cleaned up the thread afterwards. Almost like in the photo, but in motion.

Luis3725

If the moderators clean up the thread afterwards, it will be right. The most sensible thought on the last pages. We should only keep posts related to the topic and NOTHING MORE. It's embarrassing in front of the visitors. It's not a forum, it's some kind of marketplace like "no rules fights."

Steven757

Пожалуйста, предоставьте текст для перевода.

Andrea

I'm curious too. You don't need to be a genius to understand why.

Ryan1989

An interesting topic. The intensity of emotions is approaching that of Mexican soap operas. It would be good to organize a test drive with more participants and models. I am slowly (very) preparing for the sea, a skimmer will be needed, and I am in the process of searching. A P. does not have models for a small volume (+-250l), which is why I am looking at Alexlog's products. Such "discussions" further ignite interest.

April3499

Both pennies voted for two options.