• The number of fish, schools in the reef, pros and cons. Your thoughts, sailors.

  • Mitchell7972

Nice reef! But it looks a bit empty—clearly lacking schooling fish: 4-5 anthias and a small group of green chromis would really bring it to life.

Kevin262

Odessa, everything will come in time. I'm not Rockefeller's son. For now, a fox and someone from the centropigs are planned.

Randall7906

In his repertoire, there is never too little fish, and he acts on the principle that whatever doesn't fit in the aquarium will be shoved in with a foot. Seryoga, don't overcrowd the aquarium with fish; add the LO and the Angel fish, and then stop. Focus on the corals later, and it wouldn't hurt to add some live rocks, and you'll have a nice picture.

Michael3221

What principle do you use to determine that there are enough fish? There are a lot of tanks that are set up with dry reef rocks and where there is a lot of fish for about 800 liters. A bunch of small fish like gobies, chromis, 2-4 surgeonfish, a couple of different butterflies, and a lot more... If there are plenty of hiding spots, a good skimmer, and some algae eaters, then you can have quite a few fish, and they will be comfortable and it will look very beautiful. I saw a 500-liter tank with about 40 orange chromis and a lot of other fish—it looks simply magnificent and the corals look perfect!

Brian

What you may have seen somewhere does not mean that we have the same situation. Typically, in such cases, there is a lot of detritus on the rocks and a terrible state of half the inhabitants of the reef, followed by either silence about the ongoing issues or cries for help. According to the principle of cleanliness in the aquarium, with minimal equipment, and in case of a power outage, you can sleep peacefully all night without any resulting consequences. P.S. Off-topic: First, create your own marine aquarium with a minimal number of fish, ensuring cleanliness and order in the reef, and then we can talk about aquariums filled with fish and corals in perfect condition.

Stephen5857

Did you set up those numerous aquariums? Or maybe you personally laid the reef in them with dry reef rocks? Impressive knowledge!

Patricia

Off-topic, it's strange that you post photos of real reefs with lots of corals and schooling fish, and here - stop. I also believe that in a reef of this size, a school of "small fish" looks quite natural and nice, and there are no issues with equipment and interruptions at all. Well, or some large angels, but with minimal corals.

Alexandra

Who are you??? What are these hints, and who are they addressed to? Personally, I have always been against having a large number of fish in a reef aquarium, off-topic. That's why I have never had any problems, and I don't have any in my aquariums. I always stick to 100-150 liters per fish, not to mention schooling and large fish, which I have never kept and will not keep. My focus is always on a mixed reef everywhere, and the calculation for fish, for example, is 6-7 pieces of a standard set for 700-800 liters: a pair of clownfish, Helman, Hipatus, a zebrasoma, a wrasse or a mandarin, you can have 1-2 small ones to your taste, or you can do without them, and that's it.

Cheryl9296

Post Scriptum. You, people who have recently entered the marine aquarium hobby, especially regarding Skif, have not yet properly studied its laws. Just yesterday, you were asking on the forum about this and that, and we helped you as best we could. However, now you take it upon yourselves to assert things that, I’m sorry, devalue you as specialists. No offense, but I would especially recommend to you, Skif, to think carefully before writing anything.

Sharon

Very often, behind the main 800-liter aquarium, there is at least double the volume "hiding" in the basement... this is the whole secret. A good skimmer is a given.

Jennifer5784

what a nightmare Ohm's law or the law of universal gravitation? I asked some things on the logo today, and? it wasn't worth it yes, and what did I claim? that contradicts Anatoly's principles? and I'm not an expert, I'm an amateur once again - what thoughtlessly did I write?

Rachel9060

Off-topic, folks, stop being stingy, or we risk turning the topic into a trivial marketplace and a comparison of "who's got more." In my opinion, Taka expressed herself most aptly regarding the issue of the density of sea settlement.

Jason9952

- My dad bought me a cool mobile phone!!! - My dad bought me a cool laptop!!! - And... my dad has a rat in the basement. - YES!!!! SHOW IT!!! Let's show the rats, because mobile phones and laptops are made in factories.

Mitchell3177

Well, yes, sometimes it "hides"..... but then you can't hide the problems: the fish get sick and die (there was a huge school of antias, microdesmids, where did they go? Turns out the crypts choked them, and why did they choke - the nitrates are rampant) the corals have collapsed, and why, well, the phosphates surged, the pH crashed, detritus is sitting in the aquarium wherever you look, the system is failing, even though the mega skimmer is working. We've all been through this before. However, the newbies won't calm down... even though they didn't set up their aquariums using this method. Seryozha, sorry, that's it.

Patrick4439

Seryozha, if I'm not mistaken, your topic is "The Long Road... -2 or again about the sea," while this topic is "The Number of Fish Schools in the Reef, Pros and Cons. Your Thoughts, Lovers of Marine Aquaristics." Off-topic: In our section "Marine Aquaristics," there are two greats (Sherkhan) who overly boast about their experience and think they have grasped the divine, but it's time for them to come down to earth instead of being sarcastic, mocking, pointing out the knowledge level of beginners, and treating their posts with disdain. Everyone has their own opinion, even with little personal experience, and it should be respected in some way.

Alexandra

The first few posts of this topic have been moved from mine, as this discussion started there. Accordingly, the author of the newly created topic becomes the author of the first post in it, and the first moved post is post a.

Linda

There are many factors, and saying that there should be 100 liters of water per fish is not entirely relevant anymore. Naturally, you are right to point out that much depends on the types of fish in the display. Is the aquarium I mentioned above bad? Does it look bad? Are the corals unhappy? Or is the fish in striped robes? In my opinion, no, which means everything is possible! The main thing is effort and approach... And a clear understanding of what is needed for such a number of fish and what risks you are taking!

Rachael

It's not worth being so harsh towards Anatoly and the others; they are actually some of the most experienced sailors on this forum and have never refused to give advice! The fact that they have their own clear position is their business, and they have proven their point with their aquariums. The topic is about how much fish can be kept, what risks there are, and what options are available...

Judy

Offtopic - Associate Professor, were you ever small? - I was. - Did you have a dad, a mom? - I did. - Then why are you so angry? Why like a dog? Ehnaton, in my opinion, you are overly harsh towards Lesha and Anatoly.

Daniel

Now my last request to you personally. I sincerely ask you not to mention my nickname in your posts, as I do not see any dialogue with you and do not wish to engage in one. If you do not understand my request, I will perceive your further actions as a personal attack, as incitement to conflict, and mentioning my nickname only to provoke a scandal in this topic. Accordingly, there will be consequences and further conclusions.

Alexander

Alex, why are you exaggerating? I think 3-4 small antias and 3-4 viridis won't put too much strain on the system, but it will create a sense of activity in the aquarium, making the reef seem more like a natural environment. After all, in nature, reefs are "teeming" with fish. I agree there are millions of tons of water there, while we have very limited space, but when there are only 2-4 fish swimming in 700 liters, the reef appears empty, even with a large number of corals. Therefore, 6-7 small fish that are constantly in view, I repeat, create the illusion of liveliness in the reef and its close resemblance to nature.

Melissa2062

Each aquarium is unique; the main thing is proper care and more powerful "equipment." Off-topic: When I was involved with freshwater aquariums, everyone told me it was impossible to keep discus fish with plants, that it was unrealistic to do this or that... but I stubbornly wanted to prove the opposite. Everything is possible if you put in the effort! I found a video where all the fish in the aquarium were raised from fry, and the aquarium was just over two years old at the time of filming.

Lynn4242

that's true too

Stefanie9771

Have you seen the photo of the aquarium that I mentioned? I agree with you completely that fish need space, etc... BUT, then I can't understand how THAT aquarium exists?!?! And it's been around for a long time...

Cheryl9296

Colleagues, I think we have deviated from the topic. There is only one answer to the question "How many fish can fit in an aquarium?": "As long as the lid closes." And it is quite possible that with good water flow and aeration, they will EXIST there, possibly for a long time. BUT IS THIS NORMAL??? We are discussing how many fish can LIVE in an aquarium!!! That is, swim freely, breed, etc. Aquariums in pet stores (except for display ones) are not a benchmark. They are simply not designed for long-term fish keeping - just temporary holding. It's also more convenient that way (anyone who has caught fish in a reef knows what I mean).

Nicholas

No hard feelings... A lot has been written about the aquariums of the aforementioned person, both on German forums and on Reef Central (where I first learned about him), and at least everything is written quite coherently... Knowing the Germans: they do everything scientifically (I found out what equipment they use a long time ago, but I can't recall it now), and they wouldn't throw out live creatures by the bucketfuls once a month—it's just not their mentality... So to speak, the presumption of innocence. Until it is proven that he is throwing them out by the buckets, we should assume that everything is fine and look for how he achieves such results, rather than relying on dogmas.

Guy

Ah, a little episode came to mind, it's already here in our city. In a small restaurant, they set up a marine aquarium... but all the fish are dying in the tank, just dying and dying... yet in the display aquarium, it's always lively, fish darting from corner to corner, even the anemones are shown on TV every day... while in the fridge, bottles filled to the brim with dead fish are standing. Just for a good and long memory... And the thing was simple... the owner had plenty of money, and the supplier was reliable, making trips to Poland across the sea 4-5 times a month, with dumping prices... That's how it is, brother.

Linda

Off-topic. If nothing is known, then there's no point in talking... In '41 everything was fine too, and the mentality was quite something, and the pact was signed, and everything was in order... Sorry for bringing up politics, but friends, it's not a fact, you understand? NOT A FACT. If I could personally verify every step of that German, and see what kind of "flying saucer" he has hidden in the hangar (figuratively speaking), then it would be a different story. But miracles don't happen; he doesn't have it. There is mentality and practical calculation, and that's something that can lead one far for the sake of their own.

Robert800

Greetings, the aquarium is certainly what you need in terms of size, maintenance, and fish, but if you take a close look at the link you provided for the photo, it shows the launch date as 17.05.2005 (or the date the photo was uploaded) and then 2.02.2006, and after a year and a bit, what about after 2, 3, or 4 years?

Aaron

Aha, here Sania has reached the truth... here are the answers to all the questions.

Matthew1280

Hi, Tolik, I'm not being picky, I just want everything to be beautiful, but most likely, as Tatiana correctly wrote above, there are just as many in Samp, and I will develop the topic there as we go along, a fish room for servicing such happiness, not just Samp! Either the guy puts everyone in a stupor, launches a couple of anti-ass stages, and others, caught whoever he could back into a 3-liter fish tank and mocks the people. "How?" - the crowd shouts. "Like this," he replies...

Eric

Anything can happen here... they have a very rich imagination, just remember the story with cryptopur and cyprinopur, that was really a "flight of thought"... Almost ending in the failure of the entire company...

Adam4310

We are moving away from the meaning of the topic. Access codes, passwords for successful aquariums where there are many fish and corals, especially with soft corals, as they are the most consumed.

Melissa1838

Offtopic There are login details, but for some reason, I can't get in (why is that?). There, in the reef, the parrotfish, the best "friend" of the corals, is thriving. That's cool... and here we are talking about S.R.C. (dry reef rocks) and feeding the schools.

Lee

That's why I searched for information and found that the aquarium started in 2002 (the one I showed, the home one). On the website, there is a gallery where a nearly identical aquarium is displayed, but in the store, and it's clear that there is only a stand of the same size under the aquarium. P.S.: The date on the photo is the date it was uploaded to the website. At first, I also thought it was the start date, but then I searched online by name. P.P.S.: I don't think a person would do anything with catching and releasing fish in their home aquarium. P.P.P.S.: Unfortunately, I haven't come across more information about this aquarium... Here's another aquarium from their website with a description of the equipment, etc...

Charles894

It's not a fact about the two pipes going into the fish room. P.S.: The date on the photo is for uploading to the site. At first, I also thought it was the start date, but then I searched the name online. It's just a joke.

Dana6523

I have questions about this aquarium as well, and the parrot seems peaceful, I noticed that correctly. But still, maybe we have some experience or ideas, or have seen such aquariums at friends' places in Russia that have been around for more than a year. And what supports them?

Rodney7316

At home, I can believe it, although in Germany, houses with basements are not always found... So it's 50/50. But in the store, there's definitely none of that... No, I was searching by name and only found links to his aquas on forums... and a couple of comments... He might be under some nickname...

Richard2180

I don't know what I don't know. I have a sea urchin that my spiny fish pays no attention to, even though it's written everywhere that it blows them up and eats them with gusto. And in general, mine is almost peaceful... With a character, but peaceful... So I wouldn't be surprised if they show a vegetarian great white shark on Discovery.

Danielle8118

What's new here??? In about 4-6 months, there will be quite a lively aquarium... well, 60-80 for 300-400 liters is a bit much, but up to 20 (including small ones) is possible...

Jill9137

Offtopic. There is no "flood," no mockery, and no provocations. Great post, Stepanich, keep it up. Hey moderators and coordinators, why is it that for some posts there are warnings and bans, while with others we just clash? I understand you have a strict principle: "God endured, and so should we."

Michelle

So. You can do anything, the question is whether it is necessary. Maybe it's better to be closer to Mother Nature after all?

Lori4746

In my opinion, drinking depends on the preferences of the aquarist and their financial capabilities. That is, if you want 1 fish in a 30-liter aquarium, be prepared to invest 30-50% of the cost of a "standard" system in filtration.

Ryan1989

I think we need to agree right away that in this topic we are discussing "standard" aquariums, not a 300-liter display plus a couple of tons of additional equipment in the basement. By "standard," I mean an aquarium system + sump + protein skimmer or variations, but without powerful additional equipment.

Kimberly2102

I would like to add another aquarium of 1300 liters with a total of 60 fish. Not all live rocks... setup in 2007. In a mature aquarium with a huge number of SPS (small-polyped corals), a large number of fish is necessary; otherwise, it is difficult to maintain the colors and health of the corals.

Brian6895

To be honest, I didn't like it. It's too tightly packed. The corals, of course, are stunning.

Anne4851

I see

Heather2018

Hi Tanya! Clarify a bit... And also, do you think amino acids can be used to supplement the system instead of fish? Assuming the aquarium is mature...

Emily

As far as I understand, a couple of tons of water are not really needed there. However, the nitrate reducer, ozonator with a chamber, zeolite reactor, etc. are all not larger in size than a calcium reactor. But in terms of price, yes, plus the controllers.

William

Well, I expressed myself conditionally. This is exactly what was meant by "additional powerful equipment."

Todd8452

Tanya, can you provide a link about the influence of the amount of fish on the well-being of SPS? I've come across this idea with actual data many times on Logo, but I haven't found any theoretical sources.

Jessica8898

Most likely, phosphates are needed for SPS.

Jennifer5784

It is much easier to add calcium phosphate. Most likely, there is something else here. That's why I'm looking for theoretical calculations - it's interesting.

Shane

Well, nature's mother, the reef is teeming with fish.

Heather9815

It is teeming with life among the corals, while the vast ocean around has only one fish per square kilometer. And all of this is ONE system. Cut the reef off from the ocean, and everything will quickly die out there. It's the same as a 300-liter display filled with fish, while behind it is a sump of a couple of tons, with a powerful algae scrubber, protein skimmer, and everything else.

Antonio

Well, it's not really that "additional" equipment anymore... The zeolite reactor hardly differs in technology from a regular filter (only the filling). Nitrate reducers are not a new thing... Ozone, it seems, is also not a new thing... But nevertheless, the topics mentioned above have shown that successful aquariums with a large number of fish have every right to exist, and it's not unrealistic!

Curtis9143

Yes, of course, I agree, but still, how much more beautiful and natural the reef looks when fish are swimming everywhere? And if we have chosen not the cheapest hobby, then it makes sense to invest in good equipment, rather than trying to limit ourselves with weak air pumps, etc. Another matter is the volume...

Jerry

With additional equipment - YES. We are trying to solve the question - How much fish is optimally possible/necessary to keep in a regular reef aquarium with a standard set of equipment. Of course, it's nice if there isn't too much fish so that the corals are visible.

Daniel8015

Well, no one really has the usual standard equipment anymore, especially for aquariums over 500 liters. Probably only Anatoly has it, but they focus on biology... Everyone already has so many gadgets that something like a zeolite reactor, ozonator, or nitrate reducer just doesn't matter. This means we can successfully keep more complex species of corals, fish, etc. Well, it's a matter of taste.

Michele9664

It seems we have come to the answer to the first question: Keeping a large number of fish in the reef WITHOUT good powerful additional equipment is not worth it. And this is exactly the third question - reef design.

Robert1845

I will go out from the dacha to catch a fish, and I will cut the magnifying glass in half so that it will be exactly 1 cm for 50 liters of water, and that will already be too much. Regarding the salary, you are wrong, believe me, I travel abroad quite a bit. You can earn money everywhere, and just like that, people with average and above-average income work abroad. There are also many wealthy people here who keep marine aquariums, but the forums are different; for them, it's considered "low" or they don't have time... Abroad, it's all simpler, and they don't stress themselves out... They sit calmly on the forums and communicate with everyone as equals... But in the CIS, "a pig is not a friend to a swan."

Ricardo7341

And what have I been saying from the very beginning? From my first post in this thread??? Wasn't it about a good skimmer? About an algae eater? And I asked what else is needed for the successful maintenance of such a marine aquarium? But they attacked me, poor me (now I have all the sorrow of the Jewish people on my face) and kicked me with sticks, saying how can I possibly keep 2 fish in 50 liters, etc.... Only experiments and ambitions drive progress!!!! Not dogmas...

Julie

Hello! I have encountered this information at the RC quite often. As far as I understand, corals use the waste products of fish, such as urea, from the water... and fish food also benefits corals. By the way, a vivid example is Karen, whose fish were not kept properly, and the corals were very pale. When the fish appeared, the colors of the corals started to show. I can't say for sure about certain amino acids, but the chemistry of the water does its job, based on my experience.

Melinda

If we're talking about the overall look of the aquascape design today, I wasn't impressed either. But that's normal; the aquarium is almost 5 years old, which is a long time for an SPS tank. The Thai has already taken his apart... and it's only 3 years old, I think. The key phrase here is: The corals are certainly stunning, which is what we all probably dream of...

Amanda

A theory is needed, like a scientific experiment with conclusions? Unfortunately, I haven't come across such an article, and it's unlikely that anyone has bothered with it. However, this question has been discussed more than once. The next time I come across it, I'll definitely share it for reading.

Jasmine

As for the amount of fish in the aquarium, I’ll also add my two cents. There should be as many fish as the system can handle without stress! Everyone is guided by the capabilities of their skimmer, algae eater, filter, water change frequency, and God knows what else.

Julie4738

There are different types of system flow... 500 liters only on a protein skimmer, or 500 liters on zeolite + protein skimmer + ozone generator, or 500 liters on a protein skimmer, algae scrubber, nitrate reducer, or 500 liters with all the equipment, but on dry reef rocks (D.R.R.) or live rocks (L.R.)? There are countless options... It all depends on the budget and desire... And the main thing is that it is POSSIBLE to maintain a fish-coral aquarium successfully; there are examples. Now the question, which would be interesting: to take an example of some aquarium and how it can be adapted to our society without buying protein skimmers for 15k USD (after all, there are similar ones for 5k USD).

Zoe7451

So I wrote ....this system! What matters to us is the end result, healthy fish and beautiful corals, and this can be achieved with different sets of equipment, and depending on its capabilities.....you can't jump higher than that....

Laura4892

100% And the opportunities are growing every year. Soon we will keep whale sharks like clowns.

Melinda2740

This is the universal answer.

Shelby3182

There is a saying that a fish seeks where it's deeper. This is yet another ingrained stereotype. A fish seeks where the food is. You can't drive a clown away from an anemone with a stick, just as you can't keep a surgeon away from a bed of seaweed. He will live near that bed and will try to cut others, after all, he is a surgeon.

Andrew9581

In the Polish magazine "Your Aquarium," No. 62, from 2004, there is a wonderful article by Jan Plucenniak (7 pages) dedicated to various species of surgeonfish, which discusses issues of behavior, feeding, and health of these fish.

Adam

Tolik, hello, said A, go ahead and B, the article in the studio... If the topic author doesn't mind? If they do, let's go off-topic.

Andrea8397

Hi Sanya, do you understand Polish? I can personally hand you the number of this magazine, let's agree on where and when. I just searched on Google and found nothing. I understood almost 90% of the article without a dictionary, and with a dictionary, I could get to 100%.

Anthony7814

Correct, some people don't understand, while others really want to keep a surgeon, and the volume is small, but if you really want to... Moreover, no one will put even two surgeons in a small volume. It's cramped, but at least they are fed regularly and predators aren't snapping their teeth right next to them. By the way, there's a reason for the recommendation that because fish experience stress in a small volume, they are advised to have good feeding so that at least in this regard they can live comfortably. P.S. I agree that we are straying from the topic. We started with the number of centimeters per liter of water...

Sharon

Because you don't have an aquarium that is at least 2 years old, and you are suggesting S.R.K. (dry reef rocks) (which doesn't align with the philosophy) and a lot of fish (which doesn't fit with the filtration system and aerator instead of a foam filter), and in general, you are from Germany, where they throw fish from reef aquariums with a lot of fish out by the bucket at night.

James4757

Well, this is a VERY approximate indicator. I can't speak for marine fish, as I have no experience with them, but for freshwater (and essentially there's no difference), I can say: 1. Livebearers can be kept in much larger numbers than other fish. 2. Acanthophthalmus (and they are long) can be kept up to 50 individuals in a 100-liter aquarium. And so on and so forth. 3. Ancistrus - well, a lot (I have four adults and a bunch of fry in a 60-liter tank. The water is fine. They spawn constantly). So, liter/centimeter is not a measure. Rather, it's a conditional limiting factor.

Angela6489

180 liters - 5 fish. A little later, I will remove "lo" and add "klein" and "guban" - it has grown and the new display is short, they live for 1.5 years, there was no crypto.

Tanner

135 liters - 4 fish (2 ocellaris clownfish, 1 yellowtail chromis, 1 Black Sea goby), I will add 1 six-striped wrasse (the planaria has become a nuisance). I think this is the limit, although there is a 500-liter tank available. Each fish occupies its own territory and has its own purpose. In the aquarium, 95% of the substrate is dry reef rock. P.S. Never use regular sponges, personal sad experience.

Michael5242

You are exaggerating too much. For the launch in C.R.K. (dry reef rocks) and with the expectation that there will be corals and a lot of fish, one needs to prepare. If a person does not prepare for this and just drinks, then neither the classic system nor any other will help them. The issue is not with the launch system, but with the person, how clever they are and whether they are aware of what they are doing. I remember everything, but now I understand that the main difficulties bypassed me. There were no algae blooms, etc. There were White-breasted and Helmonies... here it's just a guess as to what went wrong and why it was like that (although I have a suspicion about the White-breasted).

Jeffery

Well, we don't mean it in that sense. Standard means a classic system with a minimum of equipment. For example, I have a standard.

Elizabeth1221

Please read my post #104 carefully, pay attention to the words instead of skimming through it, or should I explain it in more detail? If we don't understand each other or don't want to understand, then I have no choice but to wash my hands of this topic, as they say.

Kristin

Who has access to all this, who can afford it? I'm not interested in what kind of aquarium a chancellor in Germany has for a ton; I'm interested in the aquarium for a ton that a miner from Donetsk has. I have no doubt it will look just as good.

Heather9815

Well, in some ways you are undoubtedly right. It depends on the goals, whether you want just a beautiful rhyme or an unusual one. BUT!!! To do something unusual and move forward, you first need to have a good foundation of knowledge in the classics; otherwise, you'll end up with a lot of mistakes. For me, for now, Helmon and Hipatus are exotic. In a couple of years... we'll see.

Ross

I read until the text changed... So I understand your position as well... Shouldn't we strive for better? If a sailor is setting up a one-ton aquarium, he should understand that with an aerator instead of a foam filter, he won't achieve anything special... And he should realize that if he wants something unusual, he needs to invest money in equipment... After all, instead of MH or LL lamps, he could use energy-saving bulbs... And many soft corals would be quite fine! And the fish too... If a miner from Donetsk is tempted by a ton of sea, then he should be prepared for the costs of equipment IF he wants to have something worthy.

Karen81

Yes. I think our miners earn not only less than the Chancellor, but much less than the miners in Germany, and that’s only when they manage to knock their salary out by banging their helmets on the asphalt. There’s no time for exoticism here - it’s all about holding the rhythm.

Javier5186

Hepatus is generally a peaceful fish, in my opinion. It settled in my 120-liter aquarium almost 2-3 weeks after I set it up. And everything is great... it eats everything, is peaceful, yes, it used to nibble on the plants, but for the past three months (since the UV filter was added), there hasn't been a single spot on it... So you can safely get this beauty, especially for your volume! In my humble opinion. I don't understand why anyone would discourage getting such a fish; it's one of the least problematic fish in the sea... I haven't come across any topics where someone had issues with it... As for the Helmon, it mostly depends on luck with the fish itself.

Sheila

I don't quite agree... once you get on a classic, you won't get off. Take a higher barrier - then you'll definitely succeed.

Charles5941

I took it on the fly - raised it. I already have it. And I'm not in a hurry yet. The aquarium isn't even a year old. It's not about me.

Jeffrey2277

Just like in the movie, what is good for the Russian is death for the German. So, half of our sailors earn less than the benefits in Germany. Including me. But I manage to keep a ton in my understanding successfully on this meager income. That's why the question of the topic is not to compare with the Yankees and Hans, but what and how things are going with us in the past... I remind you of the conversation about aquariums after a year and a half of maintenance, not newly born 4-7 months old ones, for which everything is just beginning.

Rebecca1419

You call it exotic. I also raised two, but both went to the rainbow... Ah, I misunderstood you about "exotic," I thought there weren't any yet... I wasn't talking about you, but in general.

Christopher4125

Well, finally. What I'm saying is that not only the material side matters, but also the efforts that need to be put in (for the sea)! And we are not even talking about the newly born. The examples of tanks mentioned above require a minimum of 2 years. P.S.: We are not only talking about Germans; there are also Serbs with stunning aquariums, Thais, Brazilians, etc., who don't even have subsidies and whose salaries are not great either... You can create a simple marine aquarium, or you can make a very beautiful and unusual marine aquarium, and I think we all want to have a beautiful marine aquarium, and it comes down to personal taste... for some, 3-4 fish are enough, while others need 20-30 fish.

Selena4467

Off-topic, that's right, a miner can't buy a penny and trinkets for the sea for a ton, but laying out 2k. units for 100kg of live rock (after all, the sea should be launched exclusively on good live rocks) and then 1-3k. units for stocking - it's like two fingers on asphalt for a miner. This is a rather grim topic - the meaning of it is completely unclear. Successful aquariums with fish (at least 100 liters per fish) can be looked at.

Kellie

Don't make promises about the difficulties that have passed... You still have everything ahead of you. A year or two is not a measure; it's too early to beat the drums and rest on your laurels.

Rodney7316

I'm reading and a thought comes to mind: "You can break something out of foolishness, even without bones." A normal topic has turned into something incomprehensible. It's just wordplay. People lacking knowledge are trying to impose their point of view. Nonsense. Here, one should either share their knowledge or consider available truthful information taken from other sources. This means that it's not enough to just look at a picture; you need to understand how old the aquarium is, what equipment is used, etc.

Lauren

Offtopic, well, those are stones... By the way, can someone share their vision on setting up and how to start a densely populated aquarium?

John828

Such links were provided above... There is something to read there. If anyone else has experience or information, please share, as the fishing topic (quantity) keeps coming up all the time, and who knows, someone might stumble upon this and find something useful for themselves...

Larry

They often went to the miners... And they talked off-topic... I don't know why they switched to the topic of money when the discussion was about fish and the equipment for keeping them... As I mentioned, there is no difference between abroad and our homeland. It was about the fact that in Germany the unemployment benefits are higher; I was hinting again that income is not everything in the sea... And this will be on topic: one part of the forum showed successful aquariums, along with descriptions of the equipment... And now we can compare less successful aquariums (in terms of the number of fish, stones, equipment)... This way we will get a recipe for when you can have a lot of fish and when you can't.

Angela

You endure until the last moment, but... Quote: I have the impression that among the Nanai people they don't understand me, and everything is about reindeer. The question is what the topic is, WHY DON'T YOU GET IT? (post 121) Or when a girl with a small child decided to set up a marine aquarium, and in response, they sarcastically say: Let's get back to the main point. The question was not to discuss an aquarium overgrown with filamentous algae with two corals and 3-5 fish (post 104). You can comment on the participants in this topic regarding their fairness, or many have frozen and are sitting in a corner. I'm not even mentioning what was happening at the beginning.

Javier5186

I didn't understand what it was about at all.

Theresa5149

Did you not guess who this is? This is a recently banned person who has registered again. I don't think it will last long, maybe 3-5 posts.

John3432

We were talking about specific examples, right? And we asked for links... Well, never mind... The thread may not be from fish (off-topic means there were no surgeons))), but from anything else...

Chris

Let's return to the topic, to its origin... Let's try to start from the option "1" 100 liters per 8-10 cm fish, this is your principle... Now let's estimate: a 700-liter aquarium with 4 large fish (Helmon, Hepatus, Zebrasoma, White-bellied, for example) takes up 400 liters, leaving 300 liters. How many of the same chromis, centropyge, clownfish, or various small fish can fit in 300 liters? IN YOUR OPINION? Here, it can no longer be measured by the principle of 8-10 cm per 100 liters of water...

Alyssa6727

I can only agree with Sherkhan when he pointed out your inattentiveness in reading the posts. I clarify my post - it speaks about rudeness and mockery towards the participants of the topic. Sherkhan, banning is not the problem; the problem is staying a man and not hiding behind titles and section authority while accepting criticism directed at you. And you, Sherkhan, have strayed far from the meaning of your signature: Do not do to others what you do not wish for yourself!

Leah

In this topic, apart from two people, no one has said anything to anyone. ... That's it, I have a six-month-old aquarium overgrown with hair algae and containing five corals - I won't post on the forum because - the aquarium is less than two years old - the photos are bad - my experience doesn't match that of the experts ... or I might just delete my account and "throw it in the fire" since I've intruded with my swamp among the professionals.

Marie5735

What does psychology have to do with fish stocking density? ... We need to add one more point - to throw out everything foreign and leave only "domestic producers." ... Everything is becoming very scary - you can't draw information from "logo" or "reef central" - only from your own mistakes. P.S. And most importantly - do not stock fish from the Red Sea, only from the Black Sea.

Maria

I'm tired of arguing about nothing... so if you really want to, who am I to stop you, go ahead. As for others, by all means, who is stopping anyone, read as you wish. I would rather talk to my colleagues and resolve issues regarding our aquariums. I'll take others' experiences into account. That's why I'm opening a different topic. Do as you wish...

Stephanie3084

That's exactly it, you have to stay a man!